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Question by Einstino: Students reject Harvard ?
Last year at my school, there had been many brilliant children (of the senior class of 2011). Of course one of them ended up becoming Valedictorian, and an additional one Salutatorian. The Valedictorian kid could effortlessly get into an Ivy League school because he was enrolled in sports, and had the highest GPA and ACT/SAT score. But he decided to go to BYU.
There was yet an additional intelligent high school senior who, even although he just dedicated himself to studies and by no means played a sport or did any extracurriculars or community service, got an acceptance letter from Harvard with a full-ride. But he rejected it and decided to go to the University of Wyoming.
So my question is, “why would anybody reject such a excellent opportunity?”
(By the way, I didn’t personally know those youngsters. Some teachers told me their story. So, please, do not reply saying I must ask them.)
Thank you in advance!
Very best answer:
Answer by Mikaila Cox
I am not so sure….I would picture that maybe they just dont like the ivy league schools, they are actually insecure and believe that they wont make it, they want to have a calm/reasonably stress totally free college life, they want to stay close to house (if they pick a hometown school), they like their chosen school a lot more (the men and women, the life, the professors), their selected school is better at their career than the ivy league ones………numerous factors, truly. Also, just since they go to an ivy league school, it doesnt guarantee them a job…a very good job. I have known folks that have graduated from top colleges and they work at starbucks….its heartbreaking.
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Alex Jan 11 2012 - 9:10 am
Frankly, I don’t quite believe those stories. Unless you’re a legacy or your parents are major donors, you’re not going to get into Harvard with no extracurricular activities, sports, or volunteer work. Good grades and test scores alone, even being valedictorian, is simply not enough.
The kid who went to BYU probably went there because he’s a fairly devout Mormon; that’s pretty much the only reason to go to BYU.
Otherwise, people might not like the atmosphere at Ivy League schools. If you come from a lower or lower-middle class background, going to a school with a high proportion of upper class people could be uncomfortable. Or they may want to study something that the Ivy League schools aren’t very good at, like engineering.
maliboo_girl Jan 11 2012 - 9:34 am
The Ivies are not the right fit for every student, why spend 4 years where you won’t be happy, when there are perfectly good alternatives where you will be? Anyone who goes to an Ivy for the name or opportunity only is rather clueless. Some kids end up un-living their life toward a goal, every step planned out, thinking they can come up with the perfect resume, like getting into the best private prep school, then getting admitted to Harvard (some kids at my son’s school do full time summer SAT school every summer!), then they spend their time going for the goal of Yale grad school, then 2400 billing hours a year biglaw associate, then partner, then, well, death. And they never took time to enjoy life, do what they really wanted to do, and find the right path for themselves.
My son is likely to be one who will reject the Ivies. Dad is an alumni, my son is very well qualified (legacies have to be at the top), has the extracurriculars, awards, academics, and Harvard, Yale and Brown would be a great fit for him. He’s been to the Ivies, including spending some time at my dh’s big reunion, sleeping in the dorms, etc and while my son likes the Ivies, and appreciates a great education (private school, extremely rigorous curriculum), the cold weather is a turn off. He’ll likely apply, but he is interested in another college, a program that is actually tougher to get into than Harvard. So we’ll see. He knew immediately on a visit which was the right private high school for him, (we have lots of choices in LA), and he was 100% correct, so I’ll leave it up to him.
Don’t assume that even the most amazing student can easily get into an Ivy, at least not one of the top Ivies. Over 85% of applicants are qualified, but only 6 – 10% are admitted to the top Ivies. Lots of great students are not admitted, there just isn’t space. My dh participates in the admissions process for his Ivy, so I see the resumes, like 5 pages of amazing extracurriculars on an Excel chart in size 10 font, 15+ APs, all 5′s, 2400 SAT, lots of 800 SAT IIs, etc. And rejected. No kid can easily get into the Ivies, there are no sure things.
When a great student gets into Harvard etc without extracurriculars, etc, that usually means that the Ivy was looking for a specific type of kid, and also to pull from a specific area of the country. So when they find a kid who fits in both categories, it makes it easy for them. The Ivies like to take from all over the country, and they want a diverse campus, diverse in many ways. But generally, the kids who are the Experts are the applicants that will be admitted. The Ivies want a well rounded student body, not well rounded students.
Harvard is very different from what many parents and students think. It’s really the best fit for kids who are way into learning, would be happy to stay in school forever, like to have discussions about politics or history, and might want to do that instead of go party. Harvard has a huge nerd factor that kind of makes my son uncomfortable. Not as bad as Caltech, but still. It’s not an upper class yuppy type atmosphere, you can’t even tell who has money, and many students don’t. (A geeky teacher at my son’s private middle school was a Harvard grad, kids started rumors that he didn’t attend there (he absolutely did), because they thought he wasn’t upper class stereotypical like they make Harvard students in the movies. My son told everyone, trust me, I know lots of Harvard grads, he was probably one of the cool kids on campus, it’s scary!)
What one may see as a great opportunity, others don’t. It’s a good thing not everyone likes the same stuff, huh?
Good luck!